Whose snipers in
This is a partial transcript of an intercepted phone call between
Estonian foreign minister, Urmas Paet, and European Union high
representative for foreign affairs and security policy, Catherine
Ashton, which seems to have taken place about 1 March 2014. Paet
had visited Kiev briefly, and Ashton asked for his impressions.
Paet remarked how low public trust is in the new Ukrainian government.
These people have dirty pasts, he said. Then he talked
about Olga, who is a medical doctor. Ashton had also
met her. Olga told Paet how the same snipers killed both civilians
and policemen in Kiev. To Ashtons evident surprise, Paet
behind the snipers it was not Yanukovitch but
it was somebody from the new coalition. This transcript,
which the Russell Foundation has compiled, is taken from the
last three minutes or so of the conversation. The web link to
the intercept itself is given at the end.
ASHTON: ... Ive said to the opposition leaders, shortly
to become government, you need to reach out to Maidan, you need
to be, you know, engaging with them, you also need to get ordinary
police officers back on the streets under a new sense of their
role, so the people feel safe. I said to the Party of the Regions
people you have to go and lay flowers where the people died,
you have to show that you understand what has happened here.
ASHTON: Because what youre experiencing is anger of people
whove seen the way that Yanukovitch lived, and the corruption,
and they assume youre all the same. And also the people
whove lost people and who feel that, you know, he ordered
that to happen. Theres quite a lot of shock, I think, in
the city, a lot of sadness and shock, and thats going to
come out in some very strange ways if theyre not careful.
I think all of this we just have to work out, so weve done
a big meeting here today
ASHTON: to try and get this in place but yeah,
very interesting, your observation.
PAET: It is and, well, actually the only politician the people
from civil society have mentioned positively was Poroshenko.
PAET: So that he has some sort of so-to-say trust among all these
Maidan people and civil society in fact, and what was quite disturbing,
the same Olga told that, well, all the evidence shows the people
who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and
people from the streets, that they were the same snipers, killing
people from both sides.
ASHTON: Well thats
PAET: And then she also showed me some photos, she said that
as a medical doctor she can, you know, say that it is the same
handwriting, same type of bullets, and its really disturbing
that now the new coalition dont want to investigate what
exactly happened, so there is now stronger and stronger understanding
that behind the snipers it was not Yanukovitch but it was somebody
from the new coalition.
I think they do want to investigate, I mean I
didnt pick that up. Thats interesting. Gosh.
PAET: Yeah. So this is disturbing that if it starts now to live
its own life very powerfully that it already [discredits] from
the very beginning also this new coalition.
ASHTON: I mean, this is what theyve got to be careful of
as well that they need to demand great change but theyve
got to let the Rada function. If the Rada doesnt function
then there could be chaos complete chaos. So that, its
all, you know, being an activist and a doctor is very, very important
but it means youre not a politician, and somehow theyve
got to come to a kind of accommodation for the next few weeks,
with how the countrys actually going to run and
then we get the elections and things can change, and thats,
I think, going to be quite important. Im planning to go
back early next week, probably on Monday, so [
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